So groping =/= ...contact with the woman was “a brief touch”...
In view of his response I'm imagining a hand to the back to guide someone because
-mention to colleagues but not make a complaint
-uncertainty about commenting at all
-type of touch would be a social courtesy but even then not a professional one.
The people bringing this up are not doing it out of a desire for women's autonomy but as a weapon. If women come out of the woodwork with accusations that would warrant deeper investigation for sure but to me this is like the accusation against Takai (which was singular and a misunderstanding). People are not perfect in social dealings.
https://www.thecut.com/amp/2018/07/justin-trudeau-groping-allegations.html
Yeah agreed. It's interesting to watch conservatives weaponizing a lot of these thigns. It's faux outrage -- they don't GAF about whether or not women are treated equally or fairly unless they can score their own points with it. Makes me mad.
ReplyDeleteBut look at the headline compared to what was actually reported. Even CBC pulled that one. I'm not sure if it's to garner support from older men who already fear this kind of accusation.
ReplyDeleteIs it wrong that I'm of the opinion that if it was something serious, it should have been charged/tried/convicted at the time it happened, and not 20 years later in the court of public opinion, where facts don't matter anymore?
ReplyDeleteI'm also of the opinion that an accused should know the name of their accuser too. It's really easy to say almost anything behind the veil of anonymity.
Call me curmudgeon, but social media witch hunts purely for politics are BS. And the media has some pretty dirty hands in the whole thing to drive clicks.
weaponizing for sure... i had heard the 'rumours' of this one months ago (if it's the same case) ... remember how 'outraged' everybody became when he tried to curtail the impeding of house business and accidentally ended up lightly elbowing an MP in the chest? reminded me of all those FIFA players out there on the pitch playing it up for the cameras to get the opposing team a red card
ReplyDeleteJustin Trudeau was publicly outted for this 18 years ago, and sharply, and deservedly criticized by public media. This does not amount to his actions being tried 20 years later, as though old incidents are vague. The public criticism of him was at the time of the incident. It sounds clearly as though Trudeau was disrespectful of a woman’s humanity and her professional stature, because of her gender, but also because he mistook her for being just a “local” reporter. Only because she turned out to have national connections did he apologize. Elitist as well as sexist.
ReplyDeleteBrian Arbenz I think your reading is harsh for this. Even people at the time said it was none sexual.
ReplyDeleteCass Morrison, my main point is that Trudeau has not gotten away with anything free of scrutiny. This was criticized in an editorial 18 years ago.
ReplyDeleteChris Pollard, I understand the math involved in what you are saying, but the socialization of women, and marginalized groups of all types, is an intangible factor in why people don’t pursue justice through the system at the time of an offense. Women were raised on the “boys will be boys” excuse. I remember a PR spokesperson of a public school system as recently as the 1980s telling the media looking into sexual harassment complaints, male students are just going to behave this way; girls have to deal with it. And this PR person was a woman. Victims for generations had no support, often even from women who were in the system.
ReplyDeleteBrian Arbenz true enough. If he has repeated this behaviour (which I haven't seen) he didn't learn anything from the rebuke. Still, the people pushing it now was looking for that wedge to insert into liberal Canadian politics.
ReplyDeleteHypocrisy on sexual harassment is the way of conservatism in the U.S. Clinton’s predecessor George Bush sexually harassed (including groping) woman throughout his 12 years as vice-president and president. The Republican inquisitors against Bill Clinton are allowed to act as though Bush’s career-long harassing of women didn’t happen. 🤷🏼♂️
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ReplyDeleteThe woman said it was uncomfortable and that’s that. To see how Trudeau acts even today proves that woman is more that likely telling the truth. It hurt her enough to make the complaint. It does bother me that in a situation like this she chooses to let it go and not talk about it. I find this is a detriment to all women and what they are now fighting for. We are trying to open up on this subject, not cover up for a groper, PM or not. People want to know. The fact that she dismisses it now only shows her to be the liar.
ReplyDeleteShe went public at the time hunky dory and said it was not sexual but unexpected in context.
ReplyDeleteCass Morrison ok thanks for telling me. My bad. I’m sorry.
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