There must be a defined path back or there is no justice.
It really does start with education. I am a first aid instructor and we talked about consent and appropriate touch because I wanted people to be confident in their skills. Through out the class I demonstrated what would be definitely uncomfortable to me and we talked about how others felt about it then imagine being injured and at that person's mercy. Some interesting ideas came out...that are definitely outside of formal first aid training.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/harassment-analysis-1.4424914
I live in a small Canadian Prairie city with a spouse and a dog. We retired in 2018. This is what life is like.
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Yes, but something unique to each guy. Tearful apologies plus some time off stage and then back to business as usual is NOT it.
ReplyDeleteRedemption may take the rest of their lives..."don't tell me - show me".
ReplyDeleteAt turns, I wonder if it's possible for men to see the world through the eyes of women. It's sorta like... the feminists have been telling us for at least a century, I remember Rebecca West, that funny little bit about how she could never figure out what "feminism" is, but if she ever expressed any ideas which differentiated her from a doormat, that's what people would call her.
ReplyDeleteRedemption is for theologians and pawnbrokers. These men used their power and fame and money to get what they wanted. Their victims have to go on with their lives, broken people. Rape is a rum old crime, I know because was raped. That man went on with his life, I reported him, I was not believed, I was punished. I was just a little boy.
Let the theologians and the victims sort this out. Little too early to be talking about redemption for these predators at this point. All they want is to get back up to the places from which they were hauled down. It's not as if anyone talking about redemption of the victims.
Yes, such men will need to build a history of actions countering their previous history of actions. Walk the walk, as it were.
ReplyDelete...I don't want self flagellation, I don't want wah wah wah I was such a bad boy, I don't want any of that... I just want men to ... stop.
ReplyDeleteI think men can get a flavor through VR. And they don't like it. Remember the game where people were randomly assigned avatars?
ReplyDeleteGood. Let them do all this self discovery on their own time. Just... STOP. with all the public harassment, gaslighting, predatoring, ha ha ha justjoking, all of that. And then knock yourself out privately flagellating yourself if you feel like it.
ReplyDeleteCass Morrison I hadn't.. heh. Good idea though. I suppose such an experience would be Enlightening. That's kinda why I'm less prone to postulate some Road to Redemption for these abusers. The Greek word is metanoia, a change of heart. Not working off some cheesy checklist.
ReplyDeleteReally anyone who goes the gaslighting route is irredeemable. I didn't say redemption would be quick or guaranteed just that there is a mechanism.
ReplyDeleteCass Morrison I can't even fathom what that mechanism would entail, without getting all wrapped around the axle. Forgiveness, that I understand. Redemption, that's a spiritual thing - which doesn't necessarily mean overtly religious, though it might tend to that direction.
ReplyDeleteI don't know. If someone is to be redeemed, that's between the offender and his own soul. As it stands now, I must confess I'm grimly satisfied with what #metoo has produced, a brutal and immediate fall from grace. Let the offenders now fear what the offended have always endured. Not all wounds heal without scars.
The very first step has been taken -- and taken for the whole society, not just these men who have been caught. The photo lineup shows them in shame. For centuries men who were understood to have regularly done with women what these men have done were exalted as winners enjoying the spoils. But look at those expressions now! I don't mean to represent this as a substantial step toward ending sexism, but it's a needed first step. We have a new consensus that this misogynous behavior is absolutely wrong. It's taken centuries to get to this point.
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