Saturday 18 November 2017

Trump is a symptom; the breakdown in this democracy goes beyond the liar in chief. For that you have to blame all of us: we have allowed the educational system to become negligent in teaching the owner’s manual of citizenship.

Trump is a symptom; the breakdown in this democracy goes beyond the liar in chief. For that you have to blame all of us: we have allowed the educational system to become negligent in teaching the owner’s manual of citizenship.
https://nyti.ms/2jz6NUS
https://nyti.ms/2jz6NUS

21 comments:

  1. There never was an owners' manual. Mencken said "The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

    The longer I live, the clearer it becomes: people do not want to be ruled by the wise and the decent. They want to be ruled by such as themselves. All the politicians have to do is play to their dreams - not the idle fantasies and hopes and pleasant memories, but actual dreams, the boiling cauldron of our Freudian Ids.

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  2. And the GOP tax plan will put an end to what little good had been left in the American educational system (the University system).

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  3. That tax plan is astonishing. When would it kick in?

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  4. Dan Weese
    "The longer I live, the clearer it becomes: people do not want to be ruled by the wise and the decent."

    Isn't that a scary thought. I've always hoped that my leaders would be smarter than me. Pierre Elliott Trudeau was doubtless smarter than me (even though I don't like his policies). His son, however, I don't feel is that much smarter than I am. He has lead a more varied life than me, and to his credit, I think he is curious about the stuff he doesn't know. But he ain't no Michael Ignatieff, for example.

    Plato's Republic, this is not.

    PS: I used Liberal leaders to stay in the same family. This applies to all political parties. Clark > Harper, Layton > Mulcair and such.

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  5. I'm not sure of a date (2018 tax year, maybe?), but we can be sure the general answer is as soon as possible; yesterday, if they could pull it off.

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  6. JP Belanger About Justin - I think he's the man for the times and must smarter than he appears. It is more important to know how to listen and who to tap for help than be authoritarian right now. He's just such and outlier right now because almost everything is selfish and petty. PET put a lot of people's back up through being authoritarian OTOH I loved how he gave the finger to the people of the prairies who, I still feel, deserved it.

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  7. Cass Morrison You a right about the "man for the times", no matter about his intelligence. He is a decent communicator and a pretty good spokesman for his government. And I think he tries to get canadians to think about the bigger issues.

    100% agreed with your comment about authoritarianism. In Canada (even in Quebec, if you believe it), the naked wielding of authority is out of favor.

    This is probably for the best, even though it lead to the burqa thing here that came out of a badly thought out plan to respond to the call for constraints to reasonable accommodations. At some point, you have to think about "what is your guiding principle". Making irrational people feel better while putting others at risk is not a good idea.

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  8. Here is what Obama and liberals have done:
    Ever watch videos of anti American, anti Trump or anti whateva protests during the work week and wonder what these people are doing with their lives? Seriously most of the rest of us have work and sometimes children to take care of and pay for.  And the weekends? Most of the rest of us who are lucky enough not to have to work on the weekend need our space time. Time to relax and maybe take a afternoon nap. Time to get a few things done around the apartment/house. Time to have some fun with our friends and family. We have stuff to do because we know how to do stuff.

    What exactly do Millennials know how to do?

    When I was in my 20’s I taught myself backyard auto repair. I got pretty good at it too. I also taught myself how to cook and cook well. In truth I learned how to cook because I like fine food and none of the females I dated (and I dated alot) seemed to know how to cook more than one or two meals. My second wife burned water.

    When I was about 25 I started renting houses because I enjoy cohabiting with critters. I learned all kinds of things living in an old house that always needed something. I was always learning something at work and when I stopped learning I’d get a new job one where I could learn something. By the time I bought my first house at 30 I knew how to do all kinds of things. At 30.

    Remember Moldly Locks? That pretty little upper-class darling that turned herself into some kinda monkey whore and got herself punched in the face for throwing bottles at conservatives? Doing porn and probably a few bucks from her parents allowed her to open a coffee shop in California. Last I heard, assuming she hasn’t conned some more money out of her parents or done more monkey porn, it was doing badly and very close to being shut down. How do you fail with a coffee shop in California? Especially if you’re kinda a hippie. This is a no brainer.

    If you can’t make a decent cup of coffee and treat customers in a way that makes them return, what good are you?

    From what I can see this is the problem with many Mellennials, they don’t know how to do anything. Worse they go to institutions of higher learning to to be taught how to do something productive with their lives and end up going into extreme debt with a useless major that teaches them nothing about the real world. Smoke another joint fucktard. Don’t get me wrong I’m all about smoking all the weed you want as long as you can still be functional and legally (more or less) support yourself but this generation of monkeys are not fictional and are contributing nothing of any real value.

    At this point the question must be who is going to pay for these idiots when life passes them by and they still haven’t made anything out of themselves. Some of these people actually begin their working life at or near 30 years old. Given the attitude these people are entering the workplace with what are the odds of them being able to pay their own way at 40, 50 or 65? I bet they aren’t very good. Somebody has to pay for their room and board. Someone has to pay for their college loans.

    What we have here is a near worthless generation that wants to destroy more than it wants to build. Perhaps the reason for this is because they don’t know how to build anything and even a bunch of panty wastes can destroy

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  9. From what I can tell, Millennials are working to pay off debt and when they aren't working they are hanging out and doing things they enjoy. Many are doing jobs that didn't exist when I was young and I wouldn't be successful at doing now like being a Lyft driver or YouTube celeb (they get money for that). They may be marrying later but big deal.

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  10. Well, I don't know. The millennials I work with are pretty bright in IT. They are much more aggressive in making code better, and given a flatter (i.e. not hierarchical) workplace, can easily be made valuable team members.

    If I only saw this in my job, I might think it's an IT thing.

    But I see this pretty much everywhere. Idiotic millennials are pretty much in identical proportion to gen-xers, and lower (imo) than boomers.

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  11. JP Belanger so, you want everyone the same?

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  12. Paul Jacobs I'm contesting the point that millennials don't know how to do anything. In my experience, that's a massive overgeneralization.

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  13. JP Belanger very well, present your case.

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  14. And you're done Paul Jacobs. He did just present his case using the example of IT.

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  15. I like the millennials. They're kindly, respectful, hard working, charitable, they'll never have the opportunities my generation did. They'll work harder for less. We kinda screwed things up for them and I'm sorry about that.

    But I'm not sure I agree with Timothy Egan's Parade of Horribles from NYTimes . The Trumpkins and their racist cohort are a dying breed. The median age of a primetime Fox News viewer is 68. Entitled Baby Boomers, now sitting around the digital campfire, wrapped in shawls, watching news they don't believe. They're too stupid to live, quite literally. The GOP is dying.

    Nobody really wins these fights. There's only so long people can go on denying the obvious. Once that huge stiff bolus of self-absorbed Baby Boomers has passed through Uncle Sam's guts, this will be a better place.

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  16. Paul Jacobs Well, like I said, in my personal work experience (IT and I also teach college level classes to mixed age classes), they tend to be problem solvers. I currently work for a large telco and we can't get enough young folks to push the old people out of their (staid) comfort zone. For years, they had generation Y people come in and they just conformed. The young kids don't. They challenge ideas, and they don't accept "one day, it'll be your turn". They try to change their world now.

    Honestly, in IT, they have more power, as there is a serious shortage in the workforce.

    My second life is teaching. I would say that the only students I've had trouble with (cheating and laziness) have been over 35. This doesn't mean that all old folk are trouble (don't read it backwards). The young are REALLY curious.

    My third life is as a martial arts teacher. Here I would say that their worldview is more problematic, as tradition is not something that attracts them, so I think our population is getting older. Those that do however are pretty much indistinguishable from us old folks.

    BTW, it's not that there are no slackers with millennials; there are, and I've had to work with some. Like a guy who wanted some time in the day to juggle. But, thinking back, there have been, in my life, people who have behaved in less than professional manner: A gen-y guy who faked an injury to go to Italy all expenses paid. A guy who was actively testing to see how long it would take to be fired if he did absolutely nothing. I just don't see much of a real difference. And by "real difference", I don't mean flex time. I mean productivity.



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  17. +100 on Dan Weese.

    And much of the things I see millennials do is try to be comfortable in a world that was screwed up. So they'll have to work till they are 75 ? Then I'll make my workplace comfortable. I'm not wearing a suit.

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  18. I blocked him so I"m not sure he can see your great responses.

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  19. I blocked him after his first comment, sensing what was to come.,,,

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  20. Cass Morrison It's your post :-)

    I must admit, I try to avoid replying to posts that start with "Obama and liberals". Gave him a chance because he didn't use "Obummer".

    The rest is Asperger's sundowning: I get less and less able to restrain myself :-)

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  21. I blocked him because you gave an example and he acted like you didn't. Someone like that may respond as if they listened but will relapse the next time.

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